My #Mastodon instance has a 5000 character limit. Who can find me a text from anywhere in the #Fediverse breaking this limit?
I know, that #Friendica and #Hubzilla have theoretically no character limit. But what's the point of bragging about it, when nobody is actually using it?
#Sharkey - as i think all #Misskey forks do - is limited to 3000 characters. Still, more than 99% of the Fediverse really is using.
And please, take a real single posting at least a couple of days old, not some crappy merged text to prove me wrong.
Boosts welcome. ๐
teilten dies erneut
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • •๐ Mirko ๐ mag das.
Jupiter Rowland
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •@๐ Mirko ๐ @Kristian ๐ Genuine Hubzilla posts (character limit = 16,777,215 = maximum capacity of the database field):
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14โฆ
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juโฆ
48,977 characters, posted October 27th, 2023, all in one go, guaranteed.
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac9โฆ
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juโฆ
62,514 characters, posted May 16th, 2024, all in one go, guaranteed.
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4โฆ
hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juโฆ
76,780 characters, posted September 24th, 2023, all in one go, guaranteed.
(If you can't open either of these links, say so, and I'll reply with full quote-posts of these three posts.)
All character counts are raw, i.e. the actual number of characters visible. The characters are not counted the Mastodon way (= summary/CW counts into the character count, links are always 23 characters). BBcode markup is not counted in either, nor are the alt-texts, although both internally add to the character count.
Important to know: Local character limits aren't necessarily inbound character limits. For example, Mastodon is hard-coded to a maximum of 500 characters internally, but (AFAIK) it accepts posts coming in from outside up to 100,000 characters.
Likewise, Misskey is hard-coded to 3,000 characters internally. The Forkeys have a configurable internal character limit. But their inbound character limit is higher, hard-coded to ca. 8,000 as @aliceif :totally_a_real_lesbian_flag: has said.
Pleroma and Akkoma have configurable internal character limits that default to 5,000, but AFAIK a hard-coded inbound character limit of 20,000.
In all these cases, longer posts coming in from outside are immediately deleted from the inbox.
#Long #LongPost #LongPosts #LongToot #LongToots #CWLong #CWLongPost #LongPostMeta #CWLongPostMeta #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CharacterCount #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #CharacterLimitMeta #CWCharacterLimitMeta #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Pleroma #Akkoma
jupiter_rowland
hub.netzgemeinde.euKristian ๐
Als Antwort auf Jupiter Rowland • •@Jupiter Rowland Thanks for the pointers. Just to be clear:
Do I read that right? Like, I do have federated systems that just quietly discard communication from my inbox if it exceeds a certain internal limit (that is not even visible to me as a user) even without this removal being visible to either recipient or sender?
@aliceif @๐ Mirko ๐
veroandi_br hat dies geteilt.
Jupiter Rowland
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •@Kristian ๐ @๐ Mirko ๐ @aliceif :totally_a_real_lesbian_flag: As far as I know, yes.
They don't even reject these posts. If they did, I'd be able to see that in the delivery report. But they actually do let these posts in, check the length and then delete them before forwarding them to inboxes, something that Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte don't notice.
I'm not sure if that's limited to Note-type objects, though. But Hubzilla has no way to send Article-type objects, not even optionally, because the devs refuse to re-implement it unless Mastodon starts supporting full HTML rendering with all bells and whistles and gives up that title-summary-and-link-to-the-original hack.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta
Kristian ๐ mag das.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf Jupiter Rowland • •@Jupiter Rowland Good god what a mess.๐ I know that reliability of delivery and delivery status insight is basically nonexistant for arbitrary users on every platform except Hubzilla. But this is even worse, and I wonder how people implementing this kind of stuff would respond to the idea of MTAs quietly discarding e-mails that exceed a certain size. It seems at some point we have just given up on reliable behaviour in architecture of such systems. ๐
@aliceif @๐ Mirko ๐
Alexander Goeres ๐ฏ mag das.
aliceif
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •Kristian ๐ mag das.
veroandi_br hat dies geteilt.
aliceif
Als Antwort auf aliceif • • •github.com/misskey-dev/misskeyโฆ
Incorrect length adjustment for drive_file comment field ยท Issue #16208 ยท misskey-dev/misskey
aliceif (GitHub)Kristian ๐ mag das.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf aliceif • •@Jupiter Rowland @๐ Mirko ๐
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •You're asking the wrong question. ;)
It should rather be: why don't I follow accounts that write more?
Our instance with #Cackey has 7,000 characters, and just because 2/3 of my posts stay below the limit doesn't mean I'm not using it to its full potential.
In addition, there are many more services that support more than Mastodon's 500.
And even with Misskey/Sharkey, etc., 3,000 is only the lower limit. Any admin can easily raise this in the backend.
Your perception that 99% of the Fediverse is focused on short message services is also incorrect; it's only around 55%.
Which raises the question again, why don't you follow accounts that are more vocal? Then your perception of the Fediverse will also change.
It would also change if you actively used another service that shows how colorful the Fediverse is.
Alexander Goeres ๐ฏ mag das.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts • •@๐ Mirko ๐
mรถgen das
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts und ๐ Mirko ๐ mรถgen das.
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •I agree, it also depends on which accounts you follow and which services they are on.
Just because someone uses Friendica doesn't necessarily mean they always write novels ;)
Yes, the number of thread chains has also decreased in my timeline. A small (very small) portion has actually moved to suitable services. I have actively unfollowed a large portion because I can no longer tolerate their Twitter style of communication and interaction with others.
But I still have quite a few such accounts. I'll have to see if there are more links in these accounts now. I can say yes or no to that ad hoc.
I've noticed that a few accounts are now using WriteFreely more again.
Seen that way โ in my timeline.
It may look different in yours.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts • •@crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts Yes, WriteFreely seems a thing, as does Ghost, and Wordpress adoption also is on the rise as far as I can tell. Maybe specifically Wordpress could change this figures substantially if people add that to their very blogs once they learnt it adds to their stuff being visible and conversations / commenting becomes easier. Guess I'll see if I can set up a Friendica channel for longform posts to get some more reliable insights here.
@๐ Mirko ๐
mรถgen das
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts und Rainer Herda mรถgen das.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • •@crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts Followup as this was easy: I set up a Friendica channel to catch stuff bigger than 1000 chars for now. Channels are set to contain messages from the last 72 hours and at most four per user. So far, this channel contains five messages. Federations stats of my node, for relation:
@๐ Mirko ๐
mรถgen das
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts und ๐ Mirko ๐ mรถgen das.
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •Please add another one for 480 characters.
How many people reach the limit and shorten their posts so that they just fit into one post?
Just because you can use 1000 characters doesn't mean I always have to use the full limit ;)
@m1rk0@social.defcon42.net
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts • •@crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts Will try. But just to be sure, I think this was the very problem @๐ Mirko ๐ was interested in - how many posts actually /do/ make use of much larger limits? Interesting here, too, I think: Three out of these five posts are originating on Wordpress, one on a Mastodon instance with the 500 chars limit removed, and one apparently from some selfmade blog platform with AP support attached. My personal take on this is: There /also/ might be a difference between user groups - those who are more rooted in / coming from a social media background, walled-garden or not - and more focused on communication, exchange, ... in similar platforms, and those coming from a "classical" publishing / blogging / ... background mainly focused on, well, "publishing" some sort of content and making sure this is distributed for wide visibility. But even by then, these figures a interesting. Even I thought there would be much more posts that are "longer' than 1000 chars.
(And, for the 480 chars limit, I think figuring this out will become a bit more tedious as I see the majority of posts floating by is short or /very/ short, starting out with an overwhelming load of daily posts related to things such as Wordle.)
mรถgen das
๐ Mirko ๐ und crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts mรถgen das.
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •Yes, it will be very difficult to find out the exact background.
On the one hand, there are the bubbles you mentioned and their origin, and on top of that there is the software used, and in addition, you don't always need so many characters.
And there are certainly a few other criteria that we haven't even thought of yet.
@m1rk0@social.defcon42.net
Kristian ๐ mag das.
๐ Mirko ๐
Als Antwort auf crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts • • •@crossgolf_rebel Please refrain from lecturing me about the possibilities of the fediverse. You know damn well, that i have been a #FediAdmin of numerous servies for quite some time and i already know all these things.
The reason i rarely follow accounts with REALLY long (bloggish) posts is, that they tend to repeat themselves contentwise - f.e. use an exhausting amount of hashtags - or they just write about things i am not interested in. Simple as that. Which has nothing to do with the service they use at all.
And the hard truth is, that for the whole Fediverse, my 99% are more likely to hit the mark than your 55%.
crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitรคtsposts
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •Michel Patrice
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •This thread is more than 7500 words :
jasette.facil.services/@pluralโฆ
(500 characters is a little short but I agree that 5000 is much more than enough.)
Jasette FACiLe
jasette.facil.servicesaliceif
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •jupiter_rowland
hub.hubzilla.de๐ Mirko ๐
Als Antwort auf aliceif • • •Kristian ๐ mag das.
Kristian ๐
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • •... and causes other aspects instead. Like, I've just a few moments ago seen a clip in my timeline of a user showing how a very longform weblog post looks on his seems-to-be Sharkey instance looks like on a mobile device. It's barely usable, not even talking about enjoyable. Yes, maybe this is a mobile-only issue, but it's still an issue of making sure applications in some way work for those who want to use them in a sane manner, so maybe - for longform content - the idea of posting stuff to the Fediverse only in an extract/link-to-fulltext manner still is the best way to go for most systems.
@๐ Mirko ๐ @Jupiter Rowland @aliceif
๐ Mirko ๐ mag das.
Jupiter Rowland
Als Antwort auf Kristian ๐ • • •@Kristian ๐ @๐ Mirko ๐ @aliceif :totally_a_real_lesbian_flag: Unfortunately, there's this widespread belief that microblogging is not only the Fediverse default, but it's what Gargron invented the Fediverse for.
For one, that's because next to nobody knows that there's something that has been federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has existed, and that has had a virtually unlimited character count for over five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.
Besides, that's because most of the Fediverse is microblogging. It's next to all that you see going on on any Mastodon timeline. This may or may not have to do with Mastodon users, especially on the default mobile app, blocking anyone who ever exceeds 500 characters.
Lastly, that's because everyone first discovers Mastodon. Then they discover the stuff that appears to be bolted onto Mastodon as add-ons (PeerTube, Pixelfed). Then they discover the other microblogging stuff, especially the *keys. When they get to the point that they learn about Friendica and its descendants, or about Ghost or Flipboard, or that WordPress blogs can be part of the Fediverse and thus federated with Mastodon, they'll believe that the Fediverse is a microblogging platform.
Thus, every last Fediverse microblogging Web frontend is designed for only microblogging and nothing but microblogging, as is almost every last Fediverse desktop or mobile app (except for the few specialised Friendica apps and semi-defunct Nomad for Hubzilla which is a wrapper for the Web interface).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #CharacterLimitMeta #CWCharacterLimitMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #FediverseApps #MastodonApps #MastodonCulture #FediverseCulture #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity
Hiker
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •wolf mag das.
Mike P
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •Not long after people started migrating en masse from Reddit to Lemmy, I came across one that was about 220K.
I can't link to it because kbin.social has since gone down, but here's my original post about it: mastodon.social/@FenTiger/1107โฆ
Mike P (@FenTiger@mastodon.social)
Mike P (Mastodon)Jรผrgen ๐
Als Antwort auf ๐ Mirko ๐ • • •Each admin can adjust the character limit to a higher or lower value.